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In a recent interview between Stephen Gardner and former special agent of the FBI and CIA operative, Tracy Walder, they discussed various aspects of the Israel-Palestine conflict and its potential implications. Walder expressed her perspective on the likelihood of the United States getting involved in a hot war in the Middle East. She highlighted that Israel is not in the same situation as Afghanistan, suggesting that U.S. involvement would look different if it were to occur.

Walder also discussed the differences between Hamas and Hezbollah, both designated as terrorist groups by the U.S. government. She emphasized that not all Palestinians support these groups and pointed out the complexity of the situation. Walder indicated that she always considers the possibility of sleeper cells in the United States, given her background in counterterrorism.

The interview touched on the recent operation by Israeli forces in Gaza, where they rescued hostages and arrested Hamas fighters. Walder noted that while she hadn't seen the specific reporting, it is possible that Hamas had been holding more hostages than previously reported. She also explained the tactic of undressing hostages as a means of gaining compliance during interrogations.

The conversation delved into the changing dynamics in the Middle East and how they relate to immigration and global politics. Walder emphasized the need for structure and security in immigration processes to prevent potential risks and threats.

The interview also touched on the comments made by former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger about his life's work and its potential consequences. Walder suggested that Kissinger may be acknowledging the need for more structure in international relations.

Lastly, the interview highlighted former President George W. Bush's concerns about the conflict in Israel and Palestine and his stance against negotiating with terrorist organizations like Hamas. Walder supported his viewpoint, emphasizing the dangers of negotiating with groups designated as terrorists by the U.S. government.

Overall, the interview provided insights into the complex situation in the Middle East and the potential risks and challenges associated with the Israel-Palestine conflict and immigration policies.

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